Marathon Supreme HS 382

Will Schwalbe ever offer the Marathon Supreme HS382 in 23-571 size?

I love my 42-559 Marathon Supremes (no flats, even from goat heads in two years of riding), but I would like to roll slightly more easily down the road using my narrower rims.

Hi, I didn't see any directional arrow on the side of the tire to indicate how the tread should be oriented. Does it matter with the Supreme?

Your site shows a Marathon Supreme in a 28 x 2.0 size specced at 622-50. I bought one in June and found it to be approximately 28" in diamteter and 1.85" at the widest mounted on a rim with a smaller 18mm opening.

I now can only find third party offerings for the Supreme in a 29 x 2.0 size from the same vendor for roughly a $20 highger piece price. Do you make both a 28 x 2.0 and a 29 x 2.0 for the 622-50 or is the reseller mistaken, prone to marketingspeak exaggeration, or pandering to the "29'er" crowd with a major retail price increase?

I have done thousands of miles over the last 14 years and have ridden every conceivable touring tire and these are without a doubt the best I have ever been on. I run slime tubes because I still can get flats and at one time thought to go to a Marathon Plus but I have decided to stay with these because of the speed and the cornering. When I take all the weight off of my Phantom and want to kick it with some fast riders I can. I have been over 50 mph coming down mountains with my quikpac trailer behind me and these tires just grip/grip/grip!

Keep it up Guys!
Bill Cline
william.beauregard1@gmail.com

For all of you who've asked, Schwalbe Intl put the following up on their site recently. Don't know when they'll be stateside.

http://schwalbe.com/gbl/en/produkte/tour_city/produkt/index.php5?flash=1...

Are there any plans to offer the excellent Marathon Supreme (I love my 42 x 559s) in 25 x 559 or 28 x 559 size? If so, when?

I'll add my voice to the chorus asking for a 28mm version of the 700c Marathon Supreme.

The folding tires come in their own box (the box is actually about the size of a carton of cigarettes-folded in half. - they will not be any problem to ship. I assume Schwalbe, or whomever you buy them from, will put your order in another box.

How are these tires shipped?

I am going to buy 2 folded bead Marathon Supremes.

Do you ship through FedEx, or UPS, or USPS?
Will the tires be folded into boxes?

I am trying to figure out the best address to have these shipped to, so would like to know what shippiing carrier you use and how they will be shipped. Thanks!!

How are these mailed out? Fed Ex, UPS, USPS?

I am going to order the folding bead ones. Will they be boxed or not?

Trying to figure out which address I want these to ship to, depending on size and shipping carrier... Thanks!

I can't say enough positive comments about these these tires, to do them justice.

I used to get a lot of flats, like one every 2.5 days.

But, that is now ancient history, as I haven't flatted in 1.5 years - which is truly amazing. It's not like the flats aren't aiming for me any longer, because I have quite a few small cuts, and small "punctures" in the rubber on the tread. BUT, nothing has gone through, and most have resolved themselves. Rarely do I have to pluck anything out of the tires, they just seem to spit most stuff out.

I do, however, inspect them every day, and remove any "hitch hikers" I find.

Now, for the rest of the story..... These tires offer superb traction, in all but ice and snow. They have absolutely no transition zones, when leaning over, probably due to their continuous tread pattern all the way around the tires. They offer excellent handling, and steering, and are also reasonably "cushy" when the size is large enough. The reflex sidewall is still extremely bright, even after a year and a half of use. They have, so far, delivered much better mileage than I anticipated, racking up 6,000+ miles, and still going strong (even though they are beginning to show some wear.) Right now, I anticipate "maybe" 9,000 - 10,000 miles. But, time will tell about that.. Also, I don't possess superhuman leg strength, so they don't get abused or taxed, in the torque department. The slight "buzziness" encountered when new, has disappeared with some mileage, to wear them in. They spin up nicely, and roll even nicer. On an 18mm (internal) width rim, they measure their labelled size, at max pressure.

My bike, a Specialized Crosstrail, came with 45mm tires, and I settled on 700X40 for the rear, and a 700X35 for the front, as a "perfect" mix for me. The 40 still delivers reasonable comfort and load capacity, for my 190#, and the 40# that the bike normally weighs, while the 35 on the front, speeds up the steering, and improves the handling quite a bit. The 35 does not feel harsh on the front (like it does on the rear), and the 40 on the rear doesn't seem to have any negative effect on the handling of the bike. I run both of them at max pressure, which is 85 PSI. These tires are very sure footed.

You, also, have to realize that I came from riding 45mm wide "baloons," so, my feelings of "harshness" have to be taken with a grain of salt. Without having the two sizes to compare, I probably would have been happy with 35s, all the way around - BUT, I had "choices."

I ride on everything from rural gravel roads, to hard packed ag-lime, concrete, asphalt, and occasionally hard packed dirt and grass. Never a problem with their performance.

For awhile, I had 40s all the way around, and was pleased with their performance, but happened on a set of 35s, and decided to experiment with sizes and pressures.

Am I ever glad I did! The 40s were really fine, and I was pleased with them - but the mix of sizes is much better!

I considered putting a 32 on the front, and using one of my 35s on the rear, but am unwilling to give up the comfort of the 40 back there..... That's not to say that I couldn't, or wouldn't, experiment with that mix.

To say that I love these tires, is an understatement. I would recommend them to anyone! I have another "matched, mixed, set," waiting in the basement, for when I need to spoon another set on.

One has to wonder why Schwalbe put any "tread" on these magnificant tires, instead of just offering them in a "slick" version.

p.s. The Schwalbe tubes I bought, when I installed these tires, hold air better than any tube I have used over almost 60 years of riding. Coincidence?

Any idea when 26 x 1.6 will be available again?

Dear Schwalbe

What do you regard as the relevant differences between folding and wire? Also, have you discontinued 700 x 32?

Thanks.

Steve

Will a 20X1.6 marathon supreme fit my front wheel of my Gold Rush-it is 20 by 1.35 (406 mm)

Schwalbe team:

Could you please explain "Load" in your tables.

I weigh 80kgs and my bicycle 15kgs. The "Load" for 700 x 32 tires is 100 kgs.
Does that mean that if I fit a set of Supremes, you recommend that I don't carry more than 5kgs of luggage?

There have to be a fair number of Catrike 700 riders out there who would love to see these in the 16" 349mm size. I'd be happy with 1 3/8, but anything between 1 and 1.5 would do. Take the leap of faith! They will sell!
I'm a big fan of the marathon plus, but they are just too slow, so I'm currently using (also frequently fixing and replacing) greenspeed scorchers. Please please please add this size to your line.

I bought a set this past spring and was impressed. Then my bike was stolen (they must have loved the tires too)! When I replaced the bike I also built a pair of wheels, and... definitely fit them with Marathon Supremes. So far this whole year I have not had a single flat with these tires. With my previous tires (Avocet FasGrip Kevlar) I went through at least a couple of patch kits per year. Enough to have established a "policy" of throwing away tubes after they'd been patched 5 times!!!

These tires wear well, and do a much better job in places where sand or gravel has spilled onto the roadway (we get that a lot around here). I also travel along two trails where goathead thorns were a frequent cause of flats before. The reflective sidewalls are brilliant. The only downside at all is a slightly higher rolling resistance than what I had before. Probably doesn't make more than a minute's difference on my 2-hour ride. A single flat puts me at least 15 minutes behind, not to mention the hassle. It's a no-brainer and I wish I would have run across these sooner!!

Also check out their rim strips. Never thought I'd say goodbye to Velox, but the Schwalbe rim strips are fantastic. Say goodbye to Sticky, Dirty, and Goopy!

Any one ever compare the two? I've been rolling on my armys for a year now, about 600 miles a month, no flats, but it's time to replace them, the rubber is about gone. I love the armadillo but I'm curious about these new tires. I hear they're a little bit faster, a little bit smoother.
Hey Schwalbe, if you can set me up with a pair of these supremes for less then the armys, I would gladly write a review on my findings.

I put these on my commuter/touring bike in the 622-32 size.

They are fast, and grip is outstanding, even in a downpour!

I'll write another review later when I can comment on their long-term durability, but I can confidently say my old Contis would have pinch flatted in a couple situations these just rolled on through...

And if anyone is wondering about fit issues and deciding what size to get, my frame recommends a maximum width of 32, noting that some brands of 32s might not fit. Well, these did. I had to trim my fenders slightly, but I blame the SKS fender mounts and not the tire sizing. These 32s fit great on Velocity 19mm wide rims.

-John

How do Marathon Supreme tires compare with the Marathon Slick in terms of speed and durability ?

I changed my Marathon Pluses (which have ~4000 miles on them and still plenty of life left, all these miles with NO flats) for Marathon Supremes. I was seeking lower rolling resistance, better handling, and less weight. The tires have met my expectations.

These tires are fast, light, and handle great. The bike feels like a new machine - in fact, I am now looking for a larger front chainwheel to keep up with the increase in speed.

I have ridden about 300 miles on them, on my normal commutes, with no flats (I keep them at 100 psi). There has not been enough rain yet this summer to assess their wet grip, but I remain optimistic as the rubber compound seems to have great traction.

They are expensive, but I have not begrudged the expense. They were not at all difficult to mount--take your time, start opposite the valve stem, and just work the last part of the bead on with your thumbs.

I'm very glad to have these tires.

Zach, Portland, Or

Please make this tire in a 16 x 1.1 inch or 16 x 1 3/8 size with the folding bead. This tire has all the specs I am looking for in a tire for my touring recumbent...fast, light and mostly puncture proof.

My front tire has gone coast to coast across the USA without a single issue. Fully loaded - fully loaded 110 pound bike/load, plus my 185 pounds. That tour includes good pavement, bad pavement, heat/cold, dry/wet, grass, brushes, dirt, gravel, glass, truck tread pieces, dirt shoulders, and the paved shoulders before they were swept from winter's cinders! It has over 5,700 miles on it and I would start the journey again with that same tire. In fact I am tired of looking at it... but then I remember its travels... It shows no evidence of rot or cracking in over two years of use!

The rear tire was replaced after a couple of thousand miles due to a severe ripping penetration caused by an arrowhead shaped piece of granite laid down by CO DOT from winter. I put in a new tube and it crossed another state before that tire "looked" bad and I replaced it, so I could lighten the load of the spare I was carrying. Other than that, it would have made the coast to coast trip as well. The second rear tire flattened due to a 1.5 inch roofing nail that was painted black and placed upright on the shoulder just two feet from the pavement's edge. An obvious act of criminal vandalism! The nail went through the center and came out the side wall. Silly me, I pulled it out and it went flat. I replaced the tube and that tire is still in use. I would begin a tour with that tire knowing that it would eventually come apart and need replacing.

I have never been more satisfied with a bicycle tire in my life!

I ride a dahon mu p8 and have marathon racers on it size 20 X 1.5 will you make a more narrow version of this tire for higher speed riding maybe a 20 x 1.25 It seems this tire has great grip in wet and dry and I commute everyday in wet and dry conditions and was wondering which tire would be for faster commuting yet give me the advantages of protection and grip. Please advise.

commuting in nyc

These tires are much faster than the Continentals I had on my touring bike. I rode on junk filled highways in Canada with 80 pounds in the panniers, others had flats, I didn't. One day I inadvertently rode with inadquate tire pressure, no pinch flats. Great tire.

Dear Schwalbe Team,

I would like to switch from my marathon plus to supremes for a tour with 15kg luggage on the back. My weight is 73kg, thus total 88kg. What would be the ideal size. I was thinking about the 700x32 and inflate them to 6bars. Roads are in Belgium-France, thus quite good asphalt.
PS. I have done 11,000km with my marathon plus for daily commuting, without any puncture! They are really indistructable.
Many thanks.

are there any plans to produce a 406x50mm Marathon Supreme?

especially for stiff 406-recumbent-rims a wider 50mm-version would be a great increase in comfort ...

Thanks!

I'm sorry to be so ignorant, however, I've never heard of a dynamo strip ?? What is it ?

Hello,

This looks like a good tire, faster rolling than some of the other marathons. But why doesn't it have a dynamo strip? I really need a tire with that feature on my commuter/touring bike.

Is there a very similar tire with dynamo support?

Currently I'm using a Marathon Plus HS 348, but it's slower and heavier than I like.

Thanks.
-A

For general purpose road and rough road touring for a 190# rider plus some gear, would the 40cc be overkill? Would the 35cc be better? Trying to decide between the two. Thanks.

i have these in 26 X 2.0 and they are really fast! they are also extremely comfortable. i run them at 50psi

What is the outside diameter of the the 26x2.0 tire? Thanks in advance!

I had high expectations for this pricier touring tire.

They were met. The first tour: No flats for all 900 km on all kinds of terrain, including glass-strewn city streets. On a fully-loaded folding bicyle.

I place a pretty high cost on dealing with flats on tour because they can really throw a wrench in your plans. Unexpected delays are always stressful. And a flat is not just a delay, it's a full halt until it's fixed, wherever and in whatever conditions. So paying more for a rock-solid tire is something I'll not regret.

I only sometimes wished I could have rolled a little faster. 42mm is too wide for a strict road tire, but I did appreciate the extra traction when tackling some logging roads and unpaved paths in the Schwäbisch Alps. I would have walked so much more of the looser paths had I not had as wide a tire. As an occasional off-road, all-rounder touring tire, the Supremes truely shine.

Hey, Schwalbe Guy...
The Stelvio has four speed bars and the Supreme has five, but when I switched from Stelvios to Supremes I noticed a definite 2 mph drop. What do the speed bars mean and what are they comparing against? Thanks.

Bob

Does the Marathon Supreme have a certain direction of rotation or does it not mater how they are installed.

Keith

Any plans to produce a 700x28c Marathon Supreme?